Conversation 2


Chuanjiang: A table of the space panorama can be found at the end of Silong's paper "Searching for Common Principle of Relativity & Quantum Mechanics". Inspired by this, and to make our conversation easier to understand, I would like to define two spaces, namely space of deflection and space of rotation.

The first is the space of deflection. The domain [0, p/2] is the limit of the deflection angles of frames, which includes Newtonian space, relativistic space and black holes.


Jinkai: The space of deflection has two ends, Newtonian space at one end and a black hole at the other.


Yujun: Right, we commonly call it the macro world or the realm of certainty.


Chuanjiang: This space resembles a performance stage or a showcase. All the results of observations, measurements or information transfer are presented and perceived only in the space of deflection.


Yujun: All results of experiments are expressed or predicted, and all our senses are experienced only in the space of deflection as well.


Jinkai: I've also been thinking about the interesting question, it turns out that all our perception is limited to the first quadrant of the deflection angles. Can we say that physics cannot produce results without showing them in the space of deflection?


Yujun: I get what you have indicated. Thought, consciousness, belief and other things outside of human experience that we can share can go beyond the space of deflection.


Jinkai: That's right. In fact, more than 99% of our experience is in Newtonian space. However, Chuanjiang’s division of spaces mainly takes macro and micro into account.


Chuanjiang: Now let's define the "space of rotation". It is the periodic rotation of frames with angles in the domain [0, +¥).  People commonly call it the microworld, the quantum world or the realm of uncertainty.


Yujun: This space is like a black box, making it impossible to determine its internal quantum state, as if it existed outside of reality. Three interactions, electromagnetic, strong and weak, carry all the information from the space of rotation to the space of deflection, where the effects and results are shown or demonstrated. (Gravity is ignored in this space.)


Jinkai: As a result, interactions are seen as the sensors or the interface of the black box. What is the essence behind the appearance of our observations has been puzzling.


Chuanjiang: The words “interface” and “sensors” in your description are very vivid, Jinkai. In my opinion, quantum spin is the main feature of the space of rotation, and its essence is the rotation of frames.


Jinkai: It is known that observation and measurement can interfere with quantum states in the space of rotation. The interference occurs at the interface of interactions from the space of rotation to the space of deflection, which we call quantum collapse.


Yujun: In any case, only the space of deflection must show the results of interactions between the space of deflection and the space of rotation


Jinkai: Simply because we human beings live only in the space of deflection.


Chuanjiang: We refer to the rotation of two frames of two particles, while maintaining the normal symmetry of both the size and the direction, as a correlation.

The angle of deflection of one of the correlated particles relative to the other is uncertain, and the angle of deflection of the other particle is also uncertain, until there is extraneous interference such as human observation or measurement as an interaction.

In this case, the law of symmetry applies and the correlated particle must be symmetric with the extraneous perturbation of the space of deflection. That is, it must change itself in response to the extraneous interference so that the deflection angle is symmetric with it in order to counteract the interference from the space of deflection.


Yujun: The outside interference breaks the symmetry and balance of the frames of correlated particles. The so-called outside is called interference from the space of deflection. The measurement or observation is the macroscopic behavior in the space of deflection and the result is that the space of rotation of the particle turns into the space of deflection in a probabilistic way to satisfy the need of frame symmetry of the measurement or observation.


Jinkai: It's a bit roundabout to understand. First of all, we need to know why frame symmetry in the space of rotation is a feature of quantum correlation. We need to discuss it further with logical chain proofs to solve this problem.


Yujun: Now we are mainly sorting out some concepts, and when we look back at them later, or repeat them several times, they will become clearer and clearer. Such new concepts cannot be built up all at once.

Key Words space of deflectionspace of rotationquantum collapsecorrelation


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